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	<title>Comments on: Disturbance and recovery in tropical dry forests</title>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianramjohn.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/disturbance-and-recovery-in-tropical-dry-forests/#comment-2140</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And thanks for reminding me how much cool stuff there is out there to talk about.  I tend to focus on stuff that&#039;s new to me, forgetting that there&#039;s so much cool stuff that&#039;s new to everyone else...and just really fun to write about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And thanks for reminding me how much cool stuff there is out there to talk about.  I tend to focus on stuff that&#8217;s new to me, forgetting that there&#8217;s so much cool stuff that&#8217;s new to everyone else&#8230;and just really fun to write about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianramjohn.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/disturbance-and-recovery-in-tropical-dry-forests/#comment-2139</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rooting depths - that&#039;s another fascinating story, although one that I&#039;m not up to date on.  And it&#039;s even more complicated than just a dry forest/wet forest distinction.  There&#039;s some fascinating stuff from the eastern Amazon, where the forests are taller and more evergreen than rainfall alone would predict.  Turns out, if I remember correctly, that the trees are dependent on ground water from several metres down in the dry season. (8 m is the number that comes to mind, but I&#039;d really have to look it up.)  The suggestion was that this may also be a factor slowing recovery on abandoned pastures in the area.

I believe this is the paper (that&#039;s a story that would be well worth blogging on as well)

Jipp, P. H., D. C. Nepstad, D. K. Cassel, and C. R. Carvalho. 1998. Deep soil moisture storage and transpiration in forests and pastures of seasonally-dry Amazonia. Climatic Change 39:395-412.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rooting depths &#8211; that&#8217;s another fascinating story, although one that I&#8217;m not up to date on.  And it&#8217;s even more complicated than just a dry forest/wet forest distinction.  There&#8217;s some fascinating stuff from the eastern Amazon, where the forests are taller and more evergreen than rainfall alone would predict.  Turns out, if I remember correctly, that the trees are dependent on ground water from several metres down in the dry season. (8 m is the number that comes to mind, but I&#8217;d really have to look it up.)  The suggestion was that this may also be a factor slowing recovery on abandoned pastures in the area.</p>
<p>I believe this is the paper (that&#8217;s a story that would be well worth blogging on as well)</p>
<p>Jipp, P. H., D. C. Nepstad, D. K. Cassel, and C. R. Carvalho. 1998. Deep soil moisture storage and transpiration in forests and pastures of seasonally-dry Amazonia. Climatic Change 39:395-412.</p>
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		<title>By: miconia</title>
		<link>http://ianramjohn.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/disturbance-and-recovery-in-tropical-dry-forests/#comment-2138</link>
		<dc:creator>miconia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ian. Your comment is as interesting as your post. The depth of the roots in dry forest species (the shallow roots of rain forests are famous, but who ever hears of the deep roots in dry forests?) - the adaptation to fire - great stuff. Thanks!

Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ian. Your comment is as interesting as your post. The depth of the roots in dry forest species (the shallow roots of rain forests are famous, but who ever hears of the deep roots in dry forests?) &#8211; the adaptation to fire &#8211; great stuff. Thanks!</p>
<p>Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianramjohn.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/disturbance-and-recovery-in-tropical-dry-forests/#comment-2137</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s some interesting literature on that question - hopefully I will get to it one of these days.  It has been proposed that there&#039;s a trade-off between &quot;seeders&quot; and &quot;sprouters&quot; - that you can either specialise in one or the other, not both.

Dry forest trees put much more of their biomass below ground - they need more roots to forage for water.  I suppose just doing that gives them an advantage when it comes to sprouting - the stem may represent as little as 50% of the biomass of a dry forest tree, while it&#039;s likely to represent 70 or even 90% of the biomass of a rainforest tree (pulling the RF figures off the top of my head, so they may be wrong).  That alone is likely to give dry forest trees a leg up when it comes to sprouting.  Also many dry forest trees are also savanna trees (or their close relatives) - in savannas, of course, sprouting is an adaptation to fire.

That isn&#039; t to say that rainforest trees don&#039;t sprout when cut.  They&#039;re just less good at it. (There&#039;s an interesting series on sprouting in wetter forests after Hurricane Joan, I think, in Nicaragua.  John Vandermeer was one of the authors on that set of papers.  Something else worth blogging about.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some interesting literature on that question &#8211; hopefully I will get to it one of these days.  It has been proposed that there&#8217;s a trade-off between &#8220;seeders&#8221; and &#8220;sprouters&#8221; &#8211; that you can either specialise in one or the other, not both.</p>
<p>Dry forest trees put much more of their biomass below ground &#8211; they need more roots to forage for water.  I suppose just doing that gives them an advantage when it comes to sprouting &#8211; the stem may represent as little as 50% of the biomass of a dry forest tree, while it&#8217;s likely to represent 70 or even 90% of the biomass of a rainforest tree (pulling the RF figures off the top of my head, so they may be wrong).  That alone is likely to give dry forest trees a leg up when it comes to sprouting.  Also many dry forest trees are also savanna trees (or their close relatives) &#8211; in savannas, of course, sprouting is an adaptation to fire.</p>
<p>That isn&#8217; t to say that rainforest trees don&#8217;t sprout when cut.  They&#8217;re just less good at it. (There&#8217;s an interesting series on sprouting in wetter forests after Hurricane Joan, I think, in Nicaragua.  John Vandermeer was one of the authors on that set of papers.  Something else worth blogging about.)</p>
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		<title>By: miconia</title>
		<link>http://ianramjohn.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/disturbance-and-recovery-in-tropical-dry-forests/#comment-2136</link>
		<dc:creator>miconia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great synopsis! 

It&#039;s especially intriguing to me that dry forests are dominated by  species that sprout when cut and, by implication, rain forests are not dominated by such species but rather by species that depend on seed germination for reproduction. I had come to think that tropical plants in general were apt to sprout when cut, so this observation was an eye-opener to me.

Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great synopsis! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s especially intriguing to me that dry forests are dominated by  species that sprout when cut and, by implication, rain forests are not dominated by such species but rather by species that depend on seed germination for reproduction. I had come to think that tropical plants in general were apt to sprout when cut, so this observation was an eye-opener to me.</p>
<p>Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices 日本語 &#187; トリニダード・トバゴ：熱帯乾燥林</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices 日本語 &#187; トリニダード・トバゴ：熱帯乾燥林</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Trinidad &#38; Tobago: Tropical Dry Forests</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Trinidad &#38; Tobago: Tropical Dry Forests</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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